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ryan said that governor romney was a car guy. if they have an elevator stacked on their couch, i guess he was. >> there was one person on stage who was thought full, respect l respectful, steady and poised, the kind of person you want to turn to in a crisis and that was the next vice president of the united states, paul ryan. i see these obama rallies and they're chanting four more years. our cheer is four more weeks. >> guys, i have to say, that was easily my most favorite debate of the season so far. i think biden was the clear winner, gave democrats the shot of energy they needed, hammered them on the 47%, hammered him on lying, said the facts matter. the moment where they talked about abortion was so destructive because ryan said i'm going to make you all do what i believe in my catholic doctrine and biden said, hey, i believe this, i respect catholic doctrine but i'll let you do what you want to do and made the case that the supreme court is in the balance. but one of the things that i like -- i noticed that ryan can't expla
ryan said that governor romney was a car guy. if they have an elevator stacked on their couch, i guess he was. >> there was one person on stage who was thought full, respect l respectful, steady and poised, the kind of person you want to turn to in a crisis and that was the next vice president of the united states, paul ryan. i see these obama rallies and they're chanting four more years. our cheer is four more weeks. >> guys, i have to say, that was easily my most favorite debate...
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of romney-ryan and obama-biden. that's what we're debating tonight. >> why do people watch a vice presidential debate? do they watch it for a policy debate, or do they watch it to see can these guys become president of the united states? >> this stuff is always anecdotal. it's like sports. people have an opinion out of these debates. i think about it more as this month. these few weeks, the debate phase of the campaign. up until now, the entire campaign is about tv ads, surrogates arguing on televis n television, media pundits providing the analysis. and what was striking about last week's debate between governor romney and president obama, first time 90 minutes unfiltered, these two men going face to face, challenging one another. that's what this is about. it's just about suddenly we get to see the two leaders, in this case, the two vps. >> sort of philosophical. just part two of this philosophical debate. >> correct. it's the only moment in the campaign. last week 70 million viewers. this week, who knows how many
of romney-ryan and obama-biden. that's what we're debating tonight. >> why do people watch a vice presidential debate? do they watch it for a policy debate, or do they watch it to see can these guys become president of the united states? >> this stuff is always anecdotal. it's like sports. people have an opinion out of these debates. i think about it more as this month. these few weeks, the debate phase of the campaign. up until now, the entire campaign is about tv ads, surrogates...
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now they're trying to blame the romney/ryan ticket for making this an issue. with respect to iraq, we had the same position before the withdrawal which was we agreed with the obama administration. let's have a status of forces agreement to make sure we secure out gains. the vice president was put in charge of those negotiations by president obama and they failed to get the agreement. we don't have a status of forces agreement because they failed to get one. that's what we are talking about. when it comes to our veterans we owe them a great debt of gratitude for what they've done for us includie ining your son,. we also want to make sure we don't lose the things we fought so hard to get. with respect to afghanistan, the 2014 deadline, we agree with the 2014 transition. but what we also want it do is make sure that we're not projecting weakness abroad. that's what's happening here. this benghazi issue would be a tragedy in and of itself, but unfortunately it's indicative of a broader problem. and that is what we are watching on our tv screens is the unraveling o
now they're trying to blame the romney/ryan ticket for making this an issue. with respect to iraq, we had the same position before the withdrawal which was we agreed with the obama administration. let's have a status of forces agreement to make sure we secure out gains. the vice president was put in charge of those negotiations by president obama and they failed to get the agreement. we don't have a status of forces agreement because they failed to get one. that's what we are talking about....
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, but also between paul ryan and mitt romney. he knows a lot about paul ryan on medicare, social security and also i was told, foreign policy. he will try to talk about that. >> it's interesting, john, you talk about the generational divide between these two but unlike the presidential debate where you had a former law professor and former ceo, these are two guys with blue collar backgrounds and have spent a lot of time out there campaigning. how noticeable do you think that's going to be? >> it takes one to know one. these are the two beer drinkers in this race. the president and governor romney, no insult intended, can seem a bit elite, detached sometimes. these are more blue collar guys. they're comfortable in an irish pub, in a vfw post. that's their job on the campaign trail, go out and get the working class voters who could be key especially in some of the idaho in west battleground states. stylistically, even though there's an age difference, they are somewhat alike, these two. and that's what's so interesting. liberals ar
, but also between paul ryan and mitt romney. he knows a lot about paul ryan on medicare, social security and also i was told, foreign policy. he will try to talk about that. >> it's interesting, john, you talk about the generational divide between these two but unlike the presidential debate where you had a former law professor and former ceo, these are two guys with blue collar backgrounds and have spent a lot of time out there campaigning. how noticeable do you think that's going to...
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. >> romney ryan campaign we're very excited about all the details of our new tax plan. it's thick with arithmetic, math, and the sorts of things we haven't had time to walk the american people through. so let's do that right now and just take a hard look at these numbers. [ screaming ] >> what i want to do is make it simpler, fairer. i want to encourage the economy to grow again. >> so you're repealing obama-care but keeping the good parts of healthcare, social security and medicare for seniors and you're going to build more submarines and destroyers than the pentagon wants, i want to ask you a question. are you a wizard. >> i'm not going to layout a piece of legislation here. >> we can't wait to walk you through all the details math point by math point. there are some tricky--sasquatch tricky--sasquatch. sasquatch, you come here! you come here, no, no, yeti. >> hi there, it's a trolley. it's on the way to the neighborhood of make believe. that's where me and paul ryan get most of our facts from. >> the combination of limiting deductions and credits and exemption as wel
. >> romney ryan campaign we're very excited about all the details of our new tax plan. it's thick with arithmetic, math, and the sorts of things we haven't had time to walk the american people through. so let's do that right now and just take a hard look at these numbers. [ screaming ] >> what i want to do is make it simpler, fairer. i want to encourage the economy to grow again. >> so you're repealing obama-care but keeping the good parts of healthcare, social security and...
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they pay more effective tax than governor romney pays on his federal income tax. >> reporter: ryan got personal. >> joe and i are from similar towns. he's from pennsylvania, i'm from wisconsin. you know what the unemployment rate in scranton is today? >> i sure do. >> it's 10%. >> yeah. >> you know what it was the day you guys came in? 8.5%. that's how it's going all around america. >> reporter: for a vice presidential debate, the stakes were high tonight. after mitt romney's big win in denver and president obama's no-show performance there, biden needed to stop the bleeding. ryan was going for the jugular, seeking to build the momentum republicans are feeling. >> the next time you hear them say, don't worry about it, we'll get a few wealthy people to pay their fair share, watch out, middle class. the tax bill is coming to you. >> reporter: there was a stark generation gap on that stage tonight. joe biden, born in 1942, is older than the baby boomers. paul ryan, born in 1970, is younger than the baby boomers. and ryan looks it. today, "time" magazine published photos taken last year an
they pay more effective tax than governor romney pays on his federal income tax. >> reporter: ryan got personal. >> joe and i are from similar towns. he's from pennsylvania, i'm from wisconsin. you know what the unemployment rate in scranton is today? >> i sure do. >> it's 10%. >> yeah. >> you know what it was the day you guys came in? 8.5%. that's how it's going all around america. >> reporter: for a vice presidential debate, the stakes were high...
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that's not where mitt romney is. so poor paul ryan. he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. >> don't forget big bird there, jonathan. remember governor romney did give us a specific, he's going to get rid of big bird. >> that's impressive. ari, for sheer bravado in the absence of any details, paul ryan surely wins the oscar because he claims six studies prove that their 20% tax cut will be revenue neutral and won't increase the deficit. but i have to tell you, three of those six studies were blog posts or op-eds and one of them was paid for by romney for president, inc. that's the most elegant mendacity i've ever seen, isn't it? >> i would love to have their campaign promote my blog. if each post is a study, you can really get on a roll there. i'm really glad you're spotlighting this, martin, because this is the biggest problem they have on the domestic front. they've outlined these 20% cuts for everyone, that's a 20% cut in taxes for the 1%, and then they've said but don't worry, it's not really going to cut the taxes on the ric
that's not where mitt romney is. so poor paul ryan. he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. >> don't forget big bird there, jonathan. remember governor romney did give us a specific, he's going to get rid of big bird. >> that's impressive. ari, for sheer bravado in the absence of any details, paul ryan surely wins the oscar because he claims six studies prove that their 20% tax cut will be revenue neutral and won't increase the deficit. but i have to tell you, three of those...
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the contrast was striking on substance, where congressman ryan, laid out a plan, governor romney wanted to pursue the next four years. laid out what has happened over the last four years, the president and vice president tonight couldn't articulate what happened, no really explanation. no rationale for the next four years, so on content, a real choice between ryan and biden, and on demeanor, again, was struck by the contrast in demeanor. >> thank you very much. appreciate your time. wolf, i've been talking to several republicans tonight in this room and feel like this was essentially a draw. i haven't heard a whole lot of people saying to me private that will paul ryan won the debate outright. but in their minds, a draw is enough to live to fight another day and not change the momentum of the race. >> i think that's becoming more and more obvious. the republicans were reassured by ryan, democrats reassured by biden. and now another reality check on mitt romney's tax plan. >> they fought a lot about the romney tax plan. ryan said you could have 20% income tax rate cuts across the board,
the contrast was striking on substance, where congressman ryan, laid out a plan, governor romney wanted to pursue the next four years. laid out what has happened over the last four years, the president and vice president tonight couldn't articulate what happened, no really explanation. no rationale for the next four years, so on content, a real choice between ryan and biden, and on demeanor, again, was struck by the contrast in demeanor. >> thank you very much. appreciate your time. wolf,...
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part of the problem is that i have asked romney and ryan repeatedly. i asked ryan on this show last sunday not -- i don't agree with you it is a $5 trillion tax cut but i said where do you make up the $5 trillion for are lowering tax rates in terms of the deductions and loopholes, how do you make it up? they reduce to tell us. independent experts say even if you took away all of the deductions it is not going to add up to $5 trillion. >> the governor said he understands he has to work with both sides of the aisle. we know right now for example in the house dave camp is working on the issue of lowering, simplifying, and even in the senate they had discussions. he said in the debate i will work with members of both sides of the aisle. looking at a simpson bowles type model. this is not new and we know that it can be done. if you go back to when it was last done of simplifying the tax code. >> simpson boles were more specific about yes, lowering the rates. >> he said he is going to work across the aisle. he is going to listen to both sides of the aisle an
part of the problem is that i have asked romney and ryan repeatedly. i asked ryan on this show last sunday not -- i don't agree with you it is a $5 trillion tax cut but i said where do you make up the $5 trillion for are lowering tax rates in terms of the deductions and loopholes, how do you make it up? they reduce to tell us. independent experts say even if you took away all of the deductions it is not going to add up to $5 trillion. >> the governor said he understands he has to work...
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he may have to do what romney did -- ryan may have to do what romney did. >> following the debate last week, the commission on presidential debates issued this statement, following criticism of jim lehrer's performance in the first debate. robert watson, you were quite critical of jim lehrer last week. will we see a difference this week? >> i suspect we will. if i could quickly jump on the previous comment, i think we know that joe biden and paul ryan are both tough-nosed guys who can play pretty effectively, but what is interesting is they are so completely different. when joe biden first took his seat in the senate, paul ryan was about three years old. paul ryan has to be careful about looking disrespectful to someone a lot older than him. paul ryan, as was correctly noted earlier, tends to be kind of a policy wonk. that sometimes does not resonate. it did not resonate with obama earlier. joe biden like to connect in the gut. scranton joe likes to talk to the audience. we are going to see a completely different styles. i was very critical of jim lehrer in blogs and commentary. people
he may have to do what romney did -- ryan may have to do what romney did. >> following the debate last week, the commission on presidential debates issued this statement, following criticism of jim lehrer's performance in the first debate. robert watson, you were quite critical of jim lehrer last week. will we see a difference this week? >> i suspect we will. if i could quickly jump on the previous comment, i think we know that joe biden and paul ryan are both tough-nosed guys who...
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or are you running and paul ryan as part of the romney/ryan ticket? how much should we expect to hear tonight about the way paul ryan comported himself in the house of representatives? >> well, you know, rachel, mitt romney and paul ryan campaigned all throughout the state of wisconsin during the republican primaries, where mitt romney completely wrapped his arms around paul ryan's policies. paul ryan's budget. i think that is going to be a piece of the discussion tonight and i think that is, you know, part of what the american people need to decide on, whether or not they want a budget that protects tax cuts for those at the top but is cutting education, and veterans and clean energy, innovation, infrastructure, turning medicare into a voucher program. those are the types of choices that the meamerican people have before them and that will be part of the discussion tonight. >> you said earlier today, stephanie, that paul ryan and mitt romney are politicizing the attack in benghazi that killed our ambassador there. the republican national committee re
or are you running and paul ryan as part of the romney/ryan ticket? how much should we expect to hear tonight about the way paul ryan comported himself in the house of representatives? >> well, you know, rachel, mitt romney and paul ryan campaigned all throughout the state of wisconsin during the republican primaries, where mitt romney completely wrapped his arms around paul ryan's policies. paul ryan's budget. i think that is going to be a piece of the discussion tonight and i think that...
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the ryan plan is automatically going to be in the romney plan. >> schieffer: well, mitt romney has said it won't be. >> exactly. but think a lot of what joe biden is going to say is whatever paul ryan has ever said is going to be what mitt romney said. that's not the case. >> i still think you have an incredible economic debate to have in this country. i think there are great issues to talk about and i think this will continue in the vice presidential debate. >> schieffer: not to mention the job numbers. >> reporter: exactly. the word "fiscal cliff" was never mentioned in the first debate as will likely come up, i sawcial in the vice presidential debate. and you do have an important argument to have, which is is the future of this country and the size and spending of government. and you have two dip candidates proposalsing vastly different things. tax reform has to be done because of this fiscal cliff. mitt romney is proposing not only keeping the bush tax cuts but a 20% reduction for everyone. president obama is proposing to get rid of the bush tax cuts for the wealthiest americans but
the ryan plan is automatically going to be in the romney plan. >> schieffer: well, mitt romney has said it won't be. >> exactly. but think a lot of what joe biden is going to say is whatever paul ryan has ever said is going to be what mitt romney said. that's not the case. >> i still think you have an incredible economic debate to have in this country. i think there are great issues to talk about and i think this will continue in the vice presidential debate. >>...
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i got to go. >> the romney ryan campaign has been criticized for not doing it enough. now the obama campaign is trying to blame it on them. >> bill: ryan has to -- the f.b.i. and c.i.a. are secretarying. >> bill: thanks as always. that's it for us tonight's. we're going to hand
i got to go. >> the romney ryan campaign has been criticized for not doing it enough. now the obama campaign is trying to blame it on them. >> bill: ryan has to -- the f.b.i. and c.i.a. are secretarying. >> bill: thanks as always. that's it for us tonight's. we're going to hand
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>> well, i think it's interesting that paul ryan said that if romney and ryan get elected they're not doing anything about reinstating don't ask, don't tell, which contradict what romney said during the debates, the primary and the promises he made to the gop base. i would like to see them pressed on that. you know, lgbt people we tend to see progress under democratic administrations and not a lot of regress, sometimes benign, sames malicious neglect under republican administrations. >> finally, for you, what sort of message would you extend to lgbt youth. >> coming out is not the end it's better problems. when you first come out parents react negatively. it's important to have a backup plan, line up support. 40% of homeless teenagers are lgbt kids kicked out or thrown out after they came out. if you think your family might react negatively, have a place to go, have support, have friends who have offers you a couch. >> prepare. >> prepare. don't just come out blindly. ask for your parents' love and support but have a plan, a backup plan. >> dan savage, thank you. thank you for your ti
>> well, i think it's interesting that paul ryan said that if romney and ryan get elected they're not doing anything about reinstating don't ask, don't tell, which contradict what romney said during the debates, the primary and the promises he made to the gop base. i would like to see them pressed on that. you know, lgbt people we tend to see progress under democratic administrations and not a lot of regress, sometimes benign, sames malicious neglect under republican administrations....
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i got to go. >> the romney ryan campaign has been criticized for not doing it enough. now the obama campaign is trying to blame it on them. >> bill: ryan has to -- the f.b.i. and c.i.a. are
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mitt romney called paul ryan today as well, wished him luck. both sides gearing up for this. you mentioned that achille's foot. some analysts say in this kind of format, the vice president won't slip up. >> in debates, particularly against sarah palin four years ago, he was pretty disciplined. i think republicans would be unwise to count on a biden gaffe occurring during this debate. >> senior democrat told me a short time ago where the vice president does get in trouble is not in this format, but a tv interview and he starts winding around and telling a long story and goes off message. another thing to watch tonight is that this is not just domestic policy like the first debate. it's foreign policy as well. that terrorist attack in libya could come up tonight for the first time in one of these debates. >> shep: yeah, i would be surprised if it didn't. what's the obama campaign telling you about the strategy and taking on congressman ryan? >> they're saying to me in private that he's not really just taking on congressman ryan. the plan, the strategy is to go after the top of
mitt romney called paul ryan today as well, wished him luck. both sides gearing up for this. you mentioned that achille's foot. some analysts say in this kind of format, the vice president won't slip up. >> in debates, particularly against sarah palin four years ago, he was pretty disciplined. i think republicans would be unwise to count on a biden gaffe occurring during this debate. >> senior democrat told me a short time ago where the vice president does get in trouble is not in...
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ryan saying mitt romney's performance makes it more difficult for him. people are suggesting that vice president joe biden is gaffe-ridden and incompetent. what are you expecting from this debate? >> i will go ahead and i would say i'd set the bar pretty high for biden because i think he's a much better debater than obama. one of the reasons biden ended up on the ticket with obama in 2008 was that in 2007 and 2008 running against hillary clinton, running against barack obama, it was biden who are often than not who would steal the show at those democratic debates. it never actually translated into votes for him but he impressed people in the obama campaign as somebody they wanted to have out there. you go farther back in his career when he first ran for president in 1988, he got derailed by a bit of a plagiarism scandal, but when he was using his own words, he was one heck of an orator. that was his reputation. a really strong communicator. i look at biden and his debate skills and communication skills, and i say escapable of doing what barack obama eith
ryan saying mitt romney's performance makes it more difficult for him. people are suggesting that vice president joe biden is gaffe-ridden and incompetent. what are you expecting from this debate? >> i will go ahead and i would say i'd set the bar pretty high for biden because i think he's a much better debater than obama. one of the reasons biden ended up on the ticket with obama in 2008 was that in 2007 and 2008 running against hillary clinton, running against barack obama, it was biden...
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the idea in general is to tie governor mitt romney -- sorry, tie governor romney to the ryan budget. and as one top democrat put it to me, the idea is to make the case that romney/ryan in electing that ticket means americans would be electing the intellectual leader of the house republicans, as one person put it, that paul ryan is the intellectual leader of the house republicans and he should not be able tonight to duck from any specifics. so, again, we will hear that word, specifics. and look for the vice president to try to get paul ryan to talk about budget details in this debate tonight, wolf. >> jessica, has the vice president done his tour of the actual debate hall yet? >> reporter: he has. he did that tour a little earlier today before 2:00 p.m. he sat in the chair. he looked at the monitor where you get your time cues. and i'm told all that went smoothly. he also before he boarded the plane today leaving from delaware he talked to reporters and he was asked what is his strategy. take a listen to what he said. >> i'm looking forward to it. nice of you guys to be here. are you
the idea in general is to tie governor mitt romney -- sorry, tie governor romney to the ryan budget. and as one top democrat put it to me, the idea is to make the case that romney/ryan in electing that ticket means americans would be electing the intellectual leader of the house republicans, as one person put it, that paul ryan is the intellectual leader of the house republicans and he should not be able tonight to duck from any specifics. so, again, we will hear that word, specifics. and look...
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lose celt on this. >> moderator: what would romney-ryan do? ryan: we agree on the same red line they do with chemical weapons, but not putting american troops in to secure nuclear weapons. they are right about that, but what we should have done earlier is work with those freedom fighters, those disdense in syria, should not have called assad a reformer. >> moderator: what's your criteria -- ryan: should not have waited for russia to give us the green light. they are still arming the man. iran is flying flights over iraq -- biden: the opposition is being armed. ryan: if we had the agreement that the vice president said he would bet vice president sigh on in iraq, we should have been able to prevent that, but he failed to achieve that as well. again -- >> moderator: quickly, what's your criteria for intervention? ryan: in syria? >> moderator: worldwide. ryan: what it is in the national interest of the american people. in the strategic national interest of our country. >> moderator: no humanitarian? ryan: each situation has its own set of circums
lose celt on this. >> moderator: what would romney-ryan do? ryan: we agree on the same red line they do with chemical weapons, but not putting american troops in to secure nuclear weapons. they are right about that, but what we should have done earlier is work with those freedom fighters, those disdense in syria, should not have called assad a reformer. >> moderator: what's your criteria -- ryan: should not have waited for russia to give us the green light. they are still arming the...
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so hard -- to hit ryan so hard that mitt romney is going to feel it too. from the sound of it, the vice president seems to be getting his weight up. >> what i've been doing mostly is quite frankly, studying up on congressman ryan's positions. i just want to make sure that when i say these things that i don't have the congressman no, no, no, i don't have that position or that's not the governor's position. so it's mainly getting the factual predicates. >> when it comes to strategy thursday, in this and only this, he may want to steal a move from dick cheney. recall in 2004 when president george w. bush choked in the first of his three debates against john kerry. there was a strong performance against john edwards. cheney took one for the team playing the attack dog and allowing bush to keep his presidential hands clean. although i'd like to see a little more heat from president obama in debate number two, he can still keep it cool and classy while letting biden go all the way off the leash. but even before the first presidential debate, the match-up between
so hard -- to hit ryan so hard that mitt romney is going to feel it too. from the sound of it, the vice president seems to be getting his weight up. >> what i've been doing mostly is quite frankly, studying up on congressman ryan's positions. i just want to make sure that when i say these things that i don't have the congressman no, no, no, i don't have that position or that's not the governor's position. so it's mainly getting the factual predicates. >> when it comes to strategy...
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will they paint romney and ryan as extremists? or will they paint them as flip-floppers, because they are not the same thing and if he goes after ryan and say, you are an extremist and after romney and say you don't know what you think and those things are mutually exclusive. >> chris: the bottom line and you hinted at it is, does it really matter? as entertaining as it may be, do people vote based on what the vice presidential candidates say and i think we all agree that most -- the most one-sided debate as lloyd bentsen and dan quayle and, brit hume you were on the podium, that night. and -- rather, the panel, and, that was the one, we are seeing the moment, where bentsen says to dan quayle, you are no jack kennedy and, you hear the roar from the crowd but he was running with dukakis and we didn't end up with him. >> i remember after the debate was over i asked the question of dan quayle, if something happened to the president, god forbid what would be the first thing you'd do and he fumbled the question and, lloyd bentsen had a
will they paint romney and ryan as extremists? or will they paint them as flip-floppers, because they are not the same thing and if he goes after ryan and say, you are an extremist and after romney and say you don't know what you think and those things are mutually exclusive. >> chris: the bottom line and you hinted at it is, does it really matter? as entertaining as it may be, do people vote based on what the vice presidential candidates say and i think we all agree that most -- the most...
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ryan, romney, romney of course on the top of the ticket. i think you've seen from democrats a real attempt to tie the republican ticket to the house republicans who don't have a very high favorability rating so that's going to be what biden's going to try to do, lay out point by point. he'd been reading that book "young guns" by some of those tea party folks partly authored by paul ryan. i think it's a matter of laying those facts out and hitting him back with his own words. $18 billion taken from medicare where he does the same thing in his budget. >> well, and as far as the gender gap numbers, easterin. president obama gained among women after the debate while romney gained them on men. we talked after the debate and you and others noted there was not a lot of conversation -- i mean, listen, we know that women are concerned about the economy. we get that. i actually even don't like when people say that because that is a no brainer. we're all concerned about the economy. everyone wants to work. and we know that there are men who are concer
ryan, romney, romney of course on the top of the ticket. i think you've seen from democrats a real attempt to tie the republican ticket to the house republicans who don't have a very high favorability rating so that's going to be what biden's going to try to do, lay out point by point. he'd been reading that book "young guns" by some of those tea party folks partly authored by paul ryan. i think it's a matter of laying those facts out and hitting him back with his own words. $18...